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you're listening to Ira the inception

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welcome to this inception radio special

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event free John Ford hi everybody this

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is MJ AKA mike lucas i'm here to talk to

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you about John Ford as many of you know

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John Ford in 1996 was the lead

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investigator of the Long Island UFO

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network he was arrested without a proper

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search warrant and been incarcerated

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ever since in a psychiatric ward up in

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New York I was able to talk to John for

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15 to 20 minutes and hear his side of

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the story and ask him some interview

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questions this was made possible by

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Marilyn and dick Carlson of the Oklahoma

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UFO and paranormal team and of course I

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thank my co-host ken storage following

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the interview we will have bonus

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coverage of MJ myself and Ken Storch is

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interview with Peter moon diving deeper

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into the John Ford case so sit back

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everybody put your seat belts on and

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let's free John Ford John what went down

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back here what's the cause of all this

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why are you in the why you in the ward

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there you want to tell tell everybody

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well my charges and my attorney for one

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of a better excuse the glee sent me up

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to have me examined for a year at mid

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hudson and when I came back down they

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said I was not compos mentis and they

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said I was suffering from a mental

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illness

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and when we went next to court the DA's

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office offered as a plea bargain deplete

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our plea to mentally incompetent not

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guilty and my attorneys had taken it's

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the best deal you're going to get he

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said these people don't want to

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compromise with you yeah I said okay I

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said I'll do it and I took the plea but

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underneath the surface there was also

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the possibility that if I had gone to

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trial I could have been convicted and

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would have been subjected to the loss of

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my pension for the disability provisions

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from Social Security and my workman's

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comp settlement so we did this in order

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to protect my benefits okay okay now

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John you're the founding you're the

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founder of the Long Island you will fall

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not rope go Father okay the other one

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was Richard stealth who's no longer with

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us okay he dropped out because of

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personal reasons and the two of us found

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the organization and had some difficulty

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in the beginning but it just took off

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like wildfire and we started receiving

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reports and investigating and it's all

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had to stop raining okay okay so what

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what led up to all this happening what

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type of evidence did you guys come

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across that led up to all this Preston

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Nichols approached me first enables of

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the motto of project who's a science

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advisor to our organization and he

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approached me with information that they

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had been a crash outside of overhead of

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the UFO

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and that this was the basis for the 1995

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East End farce far is that almost

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destroyed the town of westhampton beach

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and we did the cursory investigation and

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we didn't get any definite information

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but we kept in the back of our head said

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that it was something may have happened

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there now we speed up now about seven

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eight months later when i met mr. joseph

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matthew Charlie my co-defendant on the

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case and he came to me said he wanted to

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get involved and I wanted to join the

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organization so I took his membership

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and he kept coming over hanging out at

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my house trying to get involved in the

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organization and one day he bawled my

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pickup truck said he needed to transport

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his girlfriends but personal property

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from from her family's house up to his

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uncle's house in port jefferson station

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to secure it so I let him have the truck

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netting head of a several days and

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behold the night that we were supposed

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to go meet with a witness eyewitness to

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the South Main Haven Park crash mr.

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Medich Ellie was forced off the road by

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a car before the grilling men in it and

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he was severely beaten about the face

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about the body and left of a warning us

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stay out of our business it's no

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business of yours hmm so there he came

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to me the next day and he told me about

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it then he told any fine himself has

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been an Israeli intelligence agent

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who had been sent directly from Tel Aviv

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to protect me and my organization and to

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also bring us into an international

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coalition of UFO researchers and

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organizations and intelligence agencies

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devoted to the overturn of the US

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government's UFO cover he told me in

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1989 Israel had shot down hope the Negev

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desert a UFO and they captured it in its

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crew and when the alert the United

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States answer information about the

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alien presence on our planet they were

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turned down and given the cold shoulder

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so is we then decided to form a

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coalition of Nations to oppose the come

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up and to expose it so I agreed to join

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it by the next graph he told me that

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they had been contracts taken out

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against me by politicians on Long Island

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to keep me from revealing the cause of

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the forests and forest fires because

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they attended they had set the forest

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fires in populated areas now they were

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supposed to know her not supposed to do

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that the anklet has a space ship went

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down outside of riverhead in wildlife

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preserve and it was in a populated area

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and they supposedly said far as far as

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there that would conceal the recovery

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operation but the John Powell Republican

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Party Chairman full for Suffolk County

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got involved and ordered the forest

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areas near the Pine Barrens these are

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undeveloped property and in an effort to

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destroy the Pine Barrens and make them

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available for subsequent sale and

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and they were afraid I was going to

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expose us so they were taken out

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contracts to have me killed okay and he

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told me that he was a protective force

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of some 25 Israeli agents to protect me

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and make certain that no harm came to me

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hmm interesting now now were you given

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any evidence on this crash or our

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pictures or any physical evidence we had

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not begun investigating it because of

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the death threats and the assassination

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attempts mr. Kelly told me not to go out

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there I'd be looking for trouble he said

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that's the first place to look for you

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so I we didn't organize a search but we

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did learn from Dottie and Gary trick you

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roof on members that the hypnotherapist

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was we employ to do regression on

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abductees that they're their

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receptionist and had to contact with a

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gentleman by his name of Steve marinara

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who lives outside of riverhead the

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gentleman sells used cars and he had

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sold the receptionist of you guys used

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the Camille and she got a story for him

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that he had seen UFO crash discovered it

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reported it to the FBI and there was

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subsequently debriefed and interrogated

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by the FBI and intimidated in silence so

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we did manage to contact mr. now now and

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he did deny the story but everything

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else about his story fen in the price so

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obviously he was lying okay no no what

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led up to your arrest and of course we

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y'all know that the emmaus there was no

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proper search warrant for your arrest

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and all that stuff search one was

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defective ok I had the wrong date on it

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and the police collected it when they

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went to file the search one with the

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court papers the only copy that had the

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correct date on it was the one that was

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filed with the court so we try to get

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the search woman removed but we failed

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in our efforts and something after we

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would have to leave to the Appellate

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Division of the court to roll on and

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exclude so the night that I was arrested

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we were there myself mr. Kevin cooks a

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fan of Joel miss Mattie Kelly and myself

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at my home we were waiting for Preston

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it was to show up to recalibrate and set

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batch of new guided campus I had brought

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for the organization and which had to be

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recalibrated and I had a piece of radium

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that I got from a friend of mine that

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that's used for testing purposes and we

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were joking about it talking about the

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politicians joking about the using it to

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eliminate the politicians get rid of

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them and their fascination parts when we

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retrieve it that's when the police

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showed up and forth and arrested US now

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mr. Cootes turned out to be a

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confidential informant he was wearing a

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wire and he didn't take down our

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statements on tape and was subsequently

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rebroadcast bites Polica circuits to the

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DA's office in hauppauge long now and he

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and send it up to be cautious hmm so so

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what were you accused of what was the

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a few other lesser charges and the tape

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recording was a principal means of

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evidence then they used it in the grand

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jury to get an indictment than the years

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of struggling who were going to use it

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at trial and the version that they

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submitted to the court was horrible it

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became statements in it that I know I

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didn't make and statements and as a

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Charlie made and I knew he said he never

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made and it was something wrong with the

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recording so about five years ago one of

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my people mr. Joseph mr. Joe Joseph

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buoyed by the Defense Intelligence

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Agency as a systems analyst he that

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night of the arrest he was tape

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recording the tether transmissions from

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the police in front of my house and he

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took out the recording of whether a list

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of the statements that we made now he

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didn't thorough analysis that gentleman

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does this type of work for the job they

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did a thorough analysis of the tape

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recording that they played for the grand

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version of the recording was 53 minutes

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long recording that that they played and

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the grand jury was 23 minutes long okay

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obviously there was some tampering with

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the evidence big time and he can he's

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going to prove him only once we get into

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court now have you been in contact with

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method Shelley then at all yes i have

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i've been in touch with mms Joe he hit

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five and a half years he took a plea

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bargain and he got out and he said he

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retired from Mossad he's living in a

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Long Island now and he and I have

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communicated he's willing to come and

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testify at my court proceedings and he

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says I'm going to bring evidence that

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will blow the case wide open very cool

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very cool no no when is this when is

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this court case scheduled well it isn't

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a criminal trial sir this is an

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administrative trial don't need

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fundamental health law I'm challenging

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and retention order every two years we

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come up for review and you're given a

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chance to present to your side of the

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story and the retention order goes in

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effect for two years now we are going to

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file a writ of habeas corpus to bring

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the case in the court and we're going to

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put in them as the new evidence go on

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and mandating the writ of habeas corpus

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mr. zapatos tape analysis so we're going

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to find this and fight and fight until

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vindicated okay I know you're getting

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short on time so so John what happens

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when you're released what what after

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what after the the place once you leave

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well if I'm lucky and I challenged the

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retention water and yet the two options

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one I get transferred to a civil

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hospital for five to five to seven years

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further treatment or I can be

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transferred back to the street since

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it's our allegation I do not have a

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mental illness and those are the two

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possibilities now if I go to a civil

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hospital I will still keep on

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challenging the case in court and if I

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do get a good lucky and I'm sent it back

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out on the street I'm going to sue

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Suffolk County Police of the county da's

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office and the office of mental health

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in New York State okay are you going to

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continue with investigating any cases in

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the area and with you okay yes we are

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very cool this was done deliberately

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destroyed MUFON and destroy all

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organizations they may have succeeded in

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printing us from holding means these

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past 18 years but they haven't destroyed

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it I've been in touch with a number of

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our members I've been in touch with a

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number of our investigators and they're

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just waiting for me to come out and

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they're going to pick up and investigate

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and we put to the public on our findings

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thanks for listening planet Earth and

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enjoy the upcoming interview with Peter

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moon no eater we'll just get into John

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Ford Allah will kind of start there um

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no how did you start talking to John for

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when did you start dealing with John

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Ford in his situation all right I was

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called to a meeting at the home of

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Preston Nichols who lived in East Islip

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New York and Long Island and I think

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we're talking 1997 mm-hmm and the & John

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Ford was there it was the first time I

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actually met John and of course I knew

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who he was very well because Preston

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Nichols was the scientific advisor

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for the Long Island UFO network in which

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John Ford was the president of and had

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organization for investigating UFOs

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sightings and perhaps more importantly

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UFO crashes of which there were three

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major ones in history that John has

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dealt with now which would be just to

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name the center moriches UFO crash the

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South Haven Park UFO crash and then the

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one that started the pine barren fires

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in or was associated with the pine

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barren fires in nineteen specimen 95 I

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think the pine barren Myers i-95 oh yes

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so now I was meeting John because he

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wanted to do a book and because I'm a

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book publisher it was a natural fit for

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Preston to suggest me so I met with John

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in Preston's living room and we talked

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about this and was a congenial

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conversation and of course John knew who

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I was he'd heard plenty about me because

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I'd written the Montauk Project

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experiments in time with Preston Nichols

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and some other books as well with

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president so including one book on UFOs

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encounter in the Pleiades and inside

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look at UFOs which is Preston Nichols

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story of his involvement with UFOs so

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Preston precedence relationship with

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John Doe was as a scientist which he is

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so of the conversation well we talked

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about maybe we'll do something we'll

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talk about it etc etc but i received a

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phone call very soon thereafter from

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preston nickel saying you don't have to

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worry about doing a John Ford book

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because he's just been arrested and

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taken away and

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this began my not only well this began

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my professional association with John

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Ford because I began to investigate and

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chronicle the case in my newsletter the

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montauk pulse which is a quarterly

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newsletter that I have done since 1993

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which was to cover the events and

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circumstances of the montauk project

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investigation and all of the surrounding

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circumstances which include John Ford

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hey Peter and I find the John Ford

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fascinating but what was he arrested for

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what were the specific charges do you

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know well he specifically and this was

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put in the paper conspiring to kill and

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i'm not using the legal charger i'm

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going to say but this is what the

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newspaper said he was he was charged

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with conspiring to murder the suffolk

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county executive john powell in other

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words the suffolk county executive is

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the in charge of the politics of the

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county he's an elected official and john

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powell who was big in the republican and

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conservative parties of Suffolk County

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in New York which is the easternmost

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County in on Long Island so he was

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conspiring to put radium in John 4 and

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John Powell's toothpaste in order to

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kill him and this was this was basically

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what he was was that what was all the

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fuss was about what was the motive then

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that that John Ford allegedly was going

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to me what was motivating John Ford why

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did he have a will to commit murder

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against john paul well there was no will

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to commit murder on John Ford's part and

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the whole set of circumstances which is

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you can people listening can read about

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in detail on the John Ford he wrote in

401
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document an 80-page doc 80 page plus

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document on the circumstances that led

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him to I'm just having an interference

404
00:24:26,350 --> 00:24:24,230
here just a second yeah they're just

405
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having a problem it did no it's okay

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it's an environmental situation it's

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okay now um I was saying is there's an

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80 plus page document on my website

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digital montauk calm or the John Ford

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initiative Rick Smith's website which

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you can read all the details of how this

412
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:46,309
went down people should do that but yeah

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00:24:53,169 --> 00:24:50,210
so so basically they were he was John

414
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Ford was set up and what had happened is

415
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he was working with a man named Joseph

416
00:25:03,970 --> 00:24:58,999
Meza chelly and Joseph Meza celli has a

417
00:25:07,509 --> 00:25:03,980
very scurrilous history and past he's

418
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done time in jail including over this

419
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:11,840
incident because he was representing

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00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:14,809
himself as a secret agent of the Mossad

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00:25:21,879 --> 00:25:18,169
and he had certain information which

422
00:25:26,619 --> 00:25:21,889
convinced John Ford that he was indeed

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00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:26,629
an agent an intelligence agent & John

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00:25:31,539 --> 00:25:29,570
Ford worked in intelligence in an

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00:25:34,899 --> 00:25:31,549
intelligence capacity at st. John's

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University when he was a student there

427
00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:37,309
and should be stated that John Ford was

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a retired court officer from Suffolk

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00:25:51,310 --> 00:25:48,499
County and he went to school at st.

430
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John's which is in unkink weems on Long

431
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,509
Island and he had involvement and he

432
00:26:01,989 --> 00:25:58,480
writes about it in the fort mountain

433
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:01,999
people are who are critical of John

434
00:26:06,820 --> 00:26:03,799
portable sale he can't be a secret agent

435
00:26:09,549 --> 00:26:06,830
and they really the psychiatrist didn't

436
00:26:12,249 --> 00:26:09,559
believe it that it evaluated him I don't

437
00:26:14,499 --> 00:26:12,259
think the prosecutor certainly they

438
00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:14,509
accused him of being nut because he's

439
00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:17,629
claiming to heaven CIA connection and

440
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:20,119
there was a station officer and Staten

441
00:26:25,810 --> 00:26:22,970
Island who worked with John for who

442
00:26:28,299 --> 00:26:25,820
would not back him up and the only thing

443
00:26:31,450 --> 00:26:28,309
I can say is that I have a personal

444
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:31,460
friend who is an attorney at law and

445
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:35,240
Long Island here and he is a graduate of

446
00:26:41,529 --> 00:26:38,240
st. John's and he told me when he was on

447
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:41,539
the campus going to school the CIA not

448
00:26:44,619 --> 00:26:42,769
only tried to recruit him and they're

449
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:44,629
trying to recruit all sorts of people at

450
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:46,490
the st. John's campus which is a

451
00:26:55,899 --> 00:26:52,490
Catholic University and so John Ford's

452
00:26:58,859 --> 00:26:55,909
statement about having involvement as he

453
00:27:00,940 --> 00:26:58,869
was a patriot trying to play

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00:27:03,159 --> 00:27:00,950
counterintelligence against the Russians

455
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:03,169
but this is one of the the way

456
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:04,970
intelligence agencies will snag you

457
00:27:10,899 --> 00:27:07,039
they'll get you as an asset he was an

458
00:27:13,509 --> 00:27:10,909
asset he was not a player deeply

459
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:13,519
involved in the machination zuv the

460
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:16,250
bureaucracy of the CIA and what they'll

461
00:27:19,859 --> 00:27:17,809
do is they'll gain you take you as an

462
00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:19,869
asset convince you to do something for

463
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,070
patriotism or whatever motive other

464
00:27:26,649 --> 00:27:23,600
motive you might have it may not be

465
00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:26,659
patriotism it could be greed or some

466
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:28,940
some other thing but John was very

467
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:31,970
patriotic and basically they set it up

468
00:27:37,570 --> 00:27:35,440
so he could be completely disowned and

469
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:37,580
sitting there with his thumb up his rear

470
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:40,159
end and made to look foolish if he ever

471
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:44,450
claimed so the station officer which I

472
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:46,129
believe he names by name in that report

473
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,129
i don't remember his name on staten

474
00:27:53,889 --> 00:27:51,440
island did not back him up which is not

475
00:27:56,049 --> 00:27:53,899
the first time the CIA has never backed

476
00:27:58,690 --> 00:27:56,059
anybody up but these are some of the

477
00:28:00,669 --> 00:27:58,700
circumstances of which john so the

478
00:28:03,310 --> 00:28:00,679
motive the moat to get back to your

479
00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:03,320
question which was the motive was that

480
00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:05,680
joseph massey jelly

481
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:09,460
was playing all sorts of games he is

482
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:11,320
playing games on John he was playing

483
00:28:17,670 --> 00:28:14,890
games on different levels and he was

484
00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:17,680
trying to convince John to just say make

485
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:20,440
a joke we're going to make a joke just

486
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:23,590
say it and I like they were being

487
00:28:27,390 --> 00:28:25,210
monitored or something and they work

488
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:27,400
with was met NASA chili wearing a wire

489
00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:30,220
it sounds like he was working for some

490
00:28:36,060 --> 00:28:31,960
kind of law enforcement agency and they

491
00:28:40,770 --> 00:28:36,070
were setting John oh ok suffolk county

492
00:28:48,380 --> 00:28:40,780
police now i did this wire that this

493
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:48,390
wire was used to UM get him arrested

494
00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:51,490
basically but the whole wire has not

495
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:54,220
been played in fact there's a man named

496
00:29:00,540 --> 00:28:58,570
Joseph soporto who was a very much he

497
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:00,550
did a good interview is well on the

498
00:29:06,330 --> 00:29:04,140
subject he has the hole recordings

499
00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:06,340
because he was recording them I think

500
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,070
independently on his own radio because

501
00:29:12,990 --> 00:29:10,720
he worked at pro game in labs and he is

502
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:13,000
a bit like Preston Nichols when it comes

503
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:16,090
to strange technology but he has

504
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,730
recorded the entire court case is that

505
00:29:23,790 --> 00:29:20,820
what you're saying no recorded that the

506
00:29:26,910 --> 00:29:23,800
the wire transmissions the radio

507
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:26,920
transmissions oh my gosh so hey the

508
00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:30,520
police oh and he had a wad that's

509
00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:34,060
incredible yes and this this is part of

510
00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:36,550
what John would like to bring into court

511
00:29:42,890 --> 00:29:40,060
yeah I think I wouldn't to whom n if

512
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:42,900
there was some other I mean additional

513
00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:45,100
information concerning that it came from

514
00:29:49,890 --> 00:29:47,740
a different source hey I and Peter just

515
00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:49,900
what little I know okay we had Marilyn

516
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,920
Carlson cuz she got involved in the and

517
00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:56,320
talked to him for several sessions she

518
00:30:00,180 --> 00:29:58,510
supplied him with a phone card as a

519
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:00,190
matter of fact so she could talk to him

520
00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:04,030
and from what little I know I think it

521
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:08,260
was entrapment and okay I think I think

522
00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:10,450
he got railroaded I mean that too I mean

523
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:13,000
least he was to say the least he was he

524
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:16,290
was railroaded but the tragedy of this

525
00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:19,330
had he uh

526
00:30:24,510 --> 00:30:23,020
taken a plea had he been found guilty of

527
00:30:27,660 --> 00:30:24,520
whatever they would have found him

528
00:30:31,710 --> 00:30:27,670
guilty of he'd be out by now he's still

529
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,720
incarcerated in the mid huzaifa

530
00:30:36,330 --> 00:30:34,480
psychiatric clinic for 16 years or

531
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:36,340
something didn't it yeah yeah yeah

532
00:30:40,650 --> 00:30:38,200
that's incredible and and I don't know

533
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:40,660
if you know this or not but the Marilyn

534
00:30:46,770 --> 00:30:43,450
was a found out that the judge just

535
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:46,780
recently ruled that leaving in flying

536
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:49,690
saucers is not a grounds for you know

537
00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:51,730
incarceration into a mental health

538
00:30:57,870 --> 00:30:54,790
facility and that's a damn good thing

539
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:57,880
because I'd be I'd be hanging out well

540
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,120
the judge said that that was a comment

541
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:04,000
in my opinion which made the judge made

542
00:31:10,020 --> 00:31:06,040
him look non prejudice on the subject

543
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:10,030
but the point in fact he ruled with the

544
00:31:19,620 --> 00:31:16,470
UH with the staff of the mid-hudson

545
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:19,630
Psychiatric Institute that basically

546
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:22,000
said that he wasn't suitable for release

547
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:24,310
and this is the problem he in other

548
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:25,930
words he wasn't going to go out on a

549
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:27,670
limb and say John Ford is not a danger

550
00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:30,940
now there's a lot of political pressure

551
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:34,180
involved in this situation now sounds

552
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:36,010
like it's important to understand that

553
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:38,740
the mid-hudson psychiatric clinic was

554
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:41,610
formerly known as the mid-hudson center

555
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:43,180
psychiatric clinic for the criminally

556
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:47,560
insane now this is dangerous violent

557
00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:50,530
criminals ax murderer type people and oh

558
00:31:56,790 --> 00:31:52,990
yeah Ted Bundy is your roommate John was

559
00:31:58,650 --> 00:31:56,800
put in this facility is a very very

560
00:32:00,900 --> 00:31:58,660
dangerous person he has no history of

561
00:32:03,570 --> 00:32:00,910
being dangerous he does have a history

562
00:32:05,780 --> 00:32:03,580
of being litigious because he was a

563
00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:05,790
court officer he would sue people

564
00:32:13,370 --> 00:32:08,950
including one man named Bill Mel who was

565
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:13,380
a a rival investigator who had some

566
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:17,080
ethical problems and John ran him out of

567
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:20,290
the state he moved to Florida where his

568
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:23,580
his asset his home could not be

569
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,770
garnished or taken away and he he he

570
00:32:31,500 --> 00:32:29,440
spent close to fifty thousand dollars of

571
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:31,510
his own money on that case so jon was

572
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:32,630
litigious

573
00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:36,050
he knew how to use the court system but

574
00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:39,020
he would excuse me at the time of his

575
00:32:42,490 --> 00:32:40,580
arrest was he currently involved

576
00:32:48,670 --> 00:32:42,500
investigating the one of the crash

577
00:32:52,770 --> 00:32:48,680
saucers yes yes what Abby oh yeah and

578
00:32:58,810 --> 00:32:52,780
that's covered in the report this is the

579
00:33:05,710 --> 00:32:58,820
pine barren fine Sharon Myers that quite

580
00:33:07,660 --> 00:33:05,720
possibly according to what what I don't

581
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,670
remember that this is just strictly John

582
00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:09,440
or if it comes from Preston to I don't

583
00:33:14,740 --> 00:33:11,180
want to misquote anybody but basically

584
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:14,750
the theory is is that the south haven rd

585
00:33:20,530 --> 00:33:18,410
the crash knots not even parked the one

586
00:33:24,790 --> 00:33:20,540
in the Pine Barrens which is out in

587
00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:24,800
rocky point there was a crash it started

588
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:28,640
a fire people fire people were called

589
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:32,150
there and then the big accusation was

590
00:33:37,540 --> 00:33:35,000
that politicians had other fight had

591
00:33:39,580 --> 00:33:37,550
other fire started and create Lee

592
00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:39,590
created this as an opportunity to create

593
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:42,620
fires in the Pine Barrens so that they

594
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:45,650
could take the Pine Barrens would be

595
00:33:48,670 --> 00:33:47,210
gone and then they could capitalize and

596
00:33:51,790 --> 00:33:48,680
use this for real estate development

597
00:33:55,950 --> 00:33:51,800
right this is an accusation that was

598
00:34:00,250 --> 00:33:55,960
being done so Suffolk County politics I

599
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:00,260
are pretty crooked now is as this story

600
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,590
as I continued to cover this story and

601
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:05,840
become very much involved in it i was

602
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:10,070
visiting john in the suffolk county jail

603
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,090
which is not a i mean you got it I never

604
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:16,399
visited anybody in jail except one time

605
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,550
in a in a minimum-security installation

606
00:34:25,389 --> 00:34:22,159
well this was just I worked in i worked

607
00:34:27,879 --> 00:34:25,399
in one for ten months Jeff signal it's

608
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:27,889
not pleasant to sit there oh it's nice n

609
00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:32,960
go to you know for R&R yes yes so anyway

610
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:38,870
um John what what has this case happened

611
00:34:45,020 --> 00:34:43,010
over the years John Powell that one who

612
00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:45,030
was the alleged victim

613
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:52,429
was found guilty and serve jail time for

614
00:34:59,470 --> 00:34:56,550
accepting illegal bribes for allowing

615
00:35:04,540 --> 00:34:59,480
dumping at the Brookhaven town dump and

616
00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:04,550
also for running an illegal Chop Shop

617
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:07,580
this is john powell dead also rompe el

618
00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:10,440
former suffolk county executive who's

619
00:35:20,050 --> 00:35:16,100
now dead and district attorney who was

620
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:20,060
John Powell's right arm in this case

621
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:23,520
James Anderson who is now dead too so

622
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:27,810
with these two major agreements being

623
00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:30,420
dead why is this case so important to

624
00:35:40,850 --> 00:35:32,580
Suffolk County who puts political

625
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:40,860
pressure on the the court and to not

626
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:44,670
allow John to be free now this case

627
00:35:52,990 --> 00:35:47,820
because it made the newspapers it made

628
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:53,000
the local news in New York City it

629
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:54,780
attracted the attention of the

630
00:36:01,550 --> 00:35:58,680
Washington Post and they set up a

631
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,560
reporter here to see what hell is going

632
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,780
on well this is the craziest story in

633
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:05,640
the world and then the reporter who was

634
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:09,330
a young reporter gets up here and I was

635
00:36:13,610 --> 00:36:11,820
probably the first person he spoke to

636
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:13,620
and he came over to my house and

637
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,140
interviewed me and I let him he and he

638
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,180
was so surprised to hear all these wild

639
00:36:26,570 --> 00:36:23,700
and crazy things about Long Island not

640
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:26,580
only the montauk project but flight 800

641
00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:28,260
and all the conspiracy behind the

642
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,350
shooting down of flight 800 which was

643
00:36:36,590 --> 00:36:34,140
ruled a crash and that was a whole

644
00:36:38,780 --> 00:36:36,600
scandal and there was another round and

645
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:38,790
for do you think that's tied in with

646
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:42,510
what John Ford was involved in as before

647
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:45,990
is that crashed Nash not the hundred not

648
00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:49,920
flight 800 okay but hey there was

649
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:53,790
another reporter on Long Island he was

650
00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,730
the only reporter to to do anything with

651
00:37:00,349 --> 00:36:58,440
this in a sincere

652
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:00,359
journalistic way and that's Jerry samee

653
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:02,520
see and Jerry samee she had worked for

654
00:37:08,839 --> 00:37:07,050
the East End paper dance papers and did

655
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:08,849
serious investigations although that

656
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:13,050
paper is a it does pseudo stories all

657
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:15,990
the time funny stories by the proprietor

658
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:19,970
and or the former proprietor Dan and

659
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,890
anyway but Jerry worked for that paper

660
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:24,839
and did serious investigation on flight

661
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,200
800 and on the John Ford case and he did

662
00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:31,280
a lot of serious investigations so and

663
00:37:48,859 --> 00:37:46,579
illogical hey hey Pete if he he do do we

664
00:37:52,579 --> 00:37:48,869
know who supplied John Ford with the

665
00:37:59,809 --> 00:37:52,589
radium he didn't have it himself you

666
00:38:03,890 --> 00:37:59,819
know I believe the radium was very it

667
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:03,900
was low grade it was used for calculate

668
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:06,960
for calibrating geiger counters it was

669
00:38:14,839 --> 00:38:09,690
very low grade I forget who supplied him

670
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:14,849
I want to say that it was this I think

671
00:38:19,069 --> 00:38:17,849
at the I can't really say who did it i'm

672
00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:19,079
not going to go out on a limb and say

673
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:21,990
who supplied it but he he did get some

674
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:24,660
right but it was very low low it was not

675
00:38:29,300 --> 00:38:27,240
gonna and besides it was not gonna kill

676
00:38:32,540 --> 00:38:29,310
this person because it would take such a

677
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:32,550
long exposure you don't sneak it in and

678
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:34,290
do it in the toothpaste and do it i'm

679
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:36,420
gonna say that sounds like labor

680
00:38:41,089 --> 00:38:39,420
intensive to me who's in low gray I mean

681
00:38:43,309 --> 00:38:41,099
trying to put that into a toothpaste I

682
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:43,319
don't know man it just doesn't get into

683
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:45,210
the crust factory but you'd be poisoning

684
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:47,310
everybody else right we have on guest

685
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,020
Peter moon and we're talking about the

686
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:51,480
John Ford case we're gonna throw it the

687
00:38:56,180 --> 00:38:54,240
ken Ken had a question for Peter yeah I

688
00:38:59,569 --> 00:38:56,190
mean man we had a fascinating discussion

689
00:39:03,650 --> 00:38:59,579
about and so it you know one or we want

690
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:03,660
our listeners to hear this I asked Peter

691
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:07,500
if if John had because he didn't go to

692
00:39:12,270 --> 00:39:09,650
trial I mean there were some extenuating

693
00:39:14,220 --> 00:39:12,280
circumstances had it gone to trial

694
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:14,230
would have been brought out especially

695
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:17,230
this this recording that was also

696
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:20,050
recorded by a second party unspin owns

697
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:23,290
to the police department and he didn't

698
00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:26,650
go to trial he took a plea bargain and

699
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:29,140
Peter why don't you elaborate because

700
00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:31,090
that's what I asked him on the break is

701
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:33,460
you know did he did he cop a plea and it

702
00:39:39,690 --> 00:39:37,810
was a plea to mental health right that's

703
00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:39,700
there's a precursor to that in the

704
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:41,590
search warrant they had when they raided

705
00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:46,390
his place was the date was after the

706
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:48,910
date was after the actual arrest had

707
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:51,670
taken place all right so they had the

708
00:39:57,540 --> 00:39:55,510
search warrant was was either incorrect

709
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:57,550
well it was incorrect it wasn't there

710
00:40:00,930 --> 00:39:59,440
for it was an illegal search yeah I was

711
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:00,940
invalidated they put the wrong date on

712
00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:04,750
it and then they left a sorcerer mine

713
00:40:11,610 --> 00:40:07,960
they said it was a mistake however why

714
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:11,620
would they be so imprecisely I noticed

715
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:17,170
so in any case um what what actually

716
00:40:22,980 --> 00:40:20,200
happened was he was locked up without

717
00:40:24,930 --> 00:40:22,990
any genuine legal justification he

718
00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:24,940
wasn't arid interrogated by a

719
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:26,680
psychiatrist from the DA's office

720
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:29,740
without his own attorney present this is

721
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:32,890
illegal and this psychiatrist by the way

722
00:40:39,540 --> 00:40:36,400
deemed him to be sane after over a year

723
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:39,550
in jail his resistance were down to his

724
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:41,890
his own attorneys please which was John

725
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:44,410
Ross to have him except the mentally

726
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:47,830
incompetent plea now John Ross ends up

727
00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:50,890
working for the highway department

728
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:52,660
become commissioner the highway

729
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:54,130
department which was all with John

730
00:41:02,310 --> 00:40:58,000
Powell was involved in so like after

731
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,320
talk really really bad in as far as

732
00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:05,200
having integrity uh this just sounds

733
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:08,080
like Jimmy Hoffa stuff exactly this

734
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:11,470
Tamara dinner uh he said that the

735
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:13,120
attorney said would preserve his social

736
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:14,650
security benefits and would avoid a

737
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:18,790
trial now John who has been drugged in

738
00:41:24,610 --> 00:41:22,090
the meantime becomes more dough so he

739
00:41:26,170 --> 00:41:24,620
goes along with his attorney and

740
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:26,180
as I stated to you on the break although

741
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:27,530
it completely violates one's

742
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:29,450
constitutional rights New York State has

743
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:31,130
a statute that allows prisoners to be

744
00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:33,050
administered drugs to ensure tranquility

745
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:35,510
damn and that's sorry I've been evicted

746
00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:38,030
and he has not demonstrated any violent

747
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:42,320
behavior so then after accepting this

748
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:44,060
plea while under the influence of drugs

749
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:45,950
coercion false imprisonment and

750
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:48,710
malicious malicious prosecution he was

751
00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:50,270
sent to the mid-hudson forensic Center

752
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:52,340
for the criminally insane where he has

753
00:42:03,880 --> 00:41:57,200
remained to this very day which is 2015

754
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:03,890
April that's now Peter how often I mean

755
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:05,570
I had actually a chance to talk with

756
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:08,690
John myself for about 20 minutes I mean

757
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:12,470
he sounds very competent I mean he did

758
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:14,270
explain a lot of what was but said

759
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:16,460
tonight on the air how often do you talk

760
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:18,050
to him or in touch with him actually

761
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:21,050
he's called me he calls me usually every

762
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:25,160
Sunday as long as i'm home i take i'm

763
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:26,810
able to take the call and talk to him we

764
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:31,370
had a shark talk today and his current

765
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:33,790
Attorney see no we go back into that

766
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:37,610
attorney got him locked away so what

767
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:40,610
happened was between all this stuff with

768
00:42:47,740 --> 00:42:43,850
the Washington Post and in all of this

769
00:42:52,690 --> 00:42:47,750
and then eventually John Powell goes to

770
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:52,700
jail uh that A&E channel thought wow

771
00:42:59,680 --> 00:42:56,090
what a hot story John by the way is got

772
00:43:00,910 --> 00:42:59,690
some documentary producer who wants to

773
00:43:03,010 --> 00:43:00,920
meet John and wants to do with

774
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:03,020
documentary on the case and I don't know

775
00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:04,910
if this will happen he's going to talk

776
00:43:11,830 --> 00:43:08,270
to john about it probably this week but

777
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:11,840
they the ante channel so wow this is

778
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:14,570
going to make a great documentary so

779
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:19,310
they hired an attorney whose specialty

780
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:24,110
is mental health cases and they hired

781
00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:28,850
her to go to work on this case and all

782
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:31,310
of a sudden he dropped it like a hot

783
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:34,010
potato potato because this case is very

784
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,770
sensitive that to certain people and

785
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:39,420
it's we find it a little outrageous

786
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:42,810
because the case should be dead it was

787
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:45,330
Powell and catterson wear the red ones

788
00:43:49,460 --> 00:43:46,740
that ran Suffolk County and we're

789
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:49,470
pushing the police hey Peter is there

790
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:51,330
any occasion than any of the Alpha bit

791
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:55,770
boys from the feds are involved actually

792
00:44:03,220 --> 00:43:59,520
there's an indication that the well it's

793
00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:03,230
not just an indication it's true the FBI

794
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:08,100
was uh when they found out about this

795
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:10,200
case and from my understanding it was

796
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:12,900
through a one of Preston Nichols

797
00:44:17,090 --> 00:44:15,180
liaisons who I know and met with

798
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,100
personally and who encouraged me to

799
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:19,380
write about this we called him the

800
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:23,370
colonel heat services nuclear reactors

801
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:29,310
and he has a position in the government

802
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:32,190
/ he worked in special ops anyway this

803
00:44:40,490 --> 00:44:37,740
guy said he said that well you know he

804
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:40,500
got the FBI on to the case and the FBI

805
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:43,560
well but actually in a good way the FBI

806
00:44:48,140 --> 00:44:45,570
went and talked to John Powell because

807
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:48,150
this was a human rights violation now

808
00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:51,240
for all of the nefarious things that the

809
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:53,790
government can be associated with there

810
00:44:58,180 --> 00:44:56,610
is a core of people in the United States

811
00:44:59,900 --> 00:44:58,190
government who believe in the actual

812
00:45:02,420 --> 00:44:59,910
principles of the United States

813
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,430
government and these include certain

814
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:06,000
people in the CIA and FBI you mean they

815
00:45:10,030 --> 00:45:07,650
believe in the Constitution and the Bill

816
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,040
of Rights there are some people that do

817
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:13,200
and well and we know they get I thought

818
00:45:17,090 --> 00:45:15,570
I was the only one well this is yeah I

819
00:45:20,330 --> 00:45:17,100
know that's the apparent see it's like

820
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:20,340
you can kiss them goodbye however these

821
00:45:27,550 --> 00:45:25,050
two agents went and talked to John pal

822
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:27,560
because this was an unreasonable

823
00:45:36,830 --> 00:45:33,510
situation and he was so I mean he was so

824
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:36,840
damned arrogant and so pompous with

825
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:42,480
these guys and so rude that they said

826
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:44,040
we're going to get this guy and that's

827
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:46,650
how he ended up getting caught as were

828
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:48,690
the ChopShop operation because the FBI

829
00:45:58,010 --> 00:45:51,720
stuck him because he was an outrage

830
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:58,020
just bombastic full and uh you know and

831
00:46:02,930 --> 00:45:59,640
you know he thought he was more powerful

832
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:02,940
than the FBI or that his connections in

833
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:06,660
the government were more powerful zico

834
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:09,300
from the FBI yes and so that this tells

835
00:46:15,710 --> 00:46:11,849
you we're not dealing with the FBI

836
00:46:22,690 --> 00:46:15,720
proper here or even the CIA proper the

837
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:22,700
average CIA person is a beer crap uh and

838
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:25,859
so so you're dealing with there's

839
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:28,950
there's a book called the secret team by

840
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:33,240
a Fletcher Prouty the guy who Donald

841
00:46:39,020 --> 00:46:36,180
Sutherland plays in the movie JFK uh

842
00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:39,030
Fletcher Prouty talks all about how the

843
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:41,190
secret team that actually runs the

844
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:44,099
government but this is a secret secret

845
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:49,020
team and so this is what we're dealing

846
00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:51,900
with here so anyway Andrea Rizzoli was

847
00:46:58,640 --> 00:46:55,670
the attorney that any channel hired and

848
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:58,650
she they as they say and he dropped it

849
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:01,440
like a hot potato so John began to pay

850
00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:06,540
her a reduced rate out of his a salary

851
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:08,550
that he gets our pension that he gets as

852
00:47:12,859 --> 00:47:10,830
a retired court officer they've

853
00:47:15,710 --> 00:47:12,869
confiscated his Social Security to pay

854
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:15,720
for his incarceration but he still gets

855
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:19,140
his pension which is not a hatch and he

856
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:21,950
has been able to pay her a modest sum

857
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:26,339
however she stayed on the case and she

858
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:29,160
screwed up the case so bad on many

859
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:32,760
different levels and the way she screwed

860
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:36,270
up the case first was by when so let me

861
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:39,089
explain when he he doesn't go to an

862
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:42,599
ordinary trial he goes to a trial with a

863
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:44,970
judge that's ruling on mental health

864
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:51,450
capacity but it is a judge and the also

865
00:47:56,660 --> 00:47:54,390
the Institute mid-hudson will do a

866
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,670
review every two years to determine

867
00:48:02,420 --> 00:47:59,520
whether he should remain in there or be

868
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:02,430
released to be released at all of them

869
00:48:08,839 --> 00:48:05,599
being released to a less

870
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:08,849
less harsh environment where like maybe

871
00:48:14,479 --> 00:48:11,190
a halfway house or so well yes yes

872
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:14,489
exactly but every time they rule they

873
00:48:21,819 --> 00:48:19,140
rule to keep him in there as if he's

874
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:21,829
dangerous and that the local

875
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:23,640
psychologists there are the ones that

876
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:25,529
are hired they never give him good

877
00:48:30,469 --> 00:48:28,410
reports and their suspect into and of

878
00:48:33,229 --> 00:48:30,479
themselves like they're on the takers I

879
00:48:35,059 --> 00:48:33,239
think so in any case and John doesn't

880
00:48:36,019 --> 00:48:35,069
have rights because he's not considered

881
00:48:39,229 --> 00:48:36,029
competent so he doesn't have the

882
00:48:41,269 --> 00:48:39,239
ordinary rice that a ordinary citizen

883
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:41,279
would even at ordinary criminal would

884
00:48:47,019 --> 00:48:44,099
have more rights a convicted criminal

885
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,029
would have more rights than John Ford so

886
00:48:53,870 --> 00:48:50,099
this is an unfortunate situation so what

887
00:48:55,789 --> 00:48:53,880
would happen is she there would be a

888
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:55,799
review and they would give him thumbs

889
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,190
down so she hired a psychiatrist to

890
00:49:06,499 --> 00:49:04,319
evaluate him and that the psychiatrist

891
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:06,509
evaluates him and finds that you know

892
00:49:12,229 --> 00:49:10,049
he's fine and John's paying considerable

893
00:49:15,170 --> 00:49:12,239
amount of money for this yeah how they

894
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,180
does it take this [\h__\h] psychiatrist

895
00:49:22,969 --> 00:49:17,579
to write up the report it takes him nine

896
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:22,979
months why not report oh jeez and this

897
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,349
is unconscionable if you're a

898
00:49:30,019 --> 00:49:26,940
psychiatrist you should have some

899
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,029
compassion for another person's psyche

900
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:33,119
and you know is it how many cases was he

901
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:34,910
working on that were so time-sensitive

902
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:38,160
probably not at all and he was being

903
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:42,380
paid to do this it's time Andrea Rizzoli

904
00:49:49,339 --> 00:49:46,440
she didn't she was naive to some extent

905
00:49:51,799 --> 00:49:49,349
here but she allowed us to continue it

906
00:49:54,949 --> 00:49:51,809
has was her I would have said it's

907
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:54,959
critical that you get this report done

908
00:49:59,509 --> 00:49:57,660
within 30 days how long does it take to

909
00:50:01,219 --> 00:49:59,519
write a report how about getting a

910
00:50:05,269 --> 00:50:01,229
second opinion have another psychiatrist

911
00:50:06,949 --> 00:50:05,279
have an opinion ok this was the second

912
00:50:10,189 --> 00:50:06,959
opinion which was favorable to him in

913
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:10,199
the meantime this takes so damn long and

914
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:12,630
then the court dates are set up well

915
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:13,890
you're going to have to wait and then

916
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:16,049
the Suffolk County who is the Abbess

917
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,819
right here it is always going to bat

918
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:20,640
against him in the court so no and you

919
00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:22,140
see because you can like adjourn the

920
00:50:27,709 --> 00:50:24,839
dates and you can do this so all of a

921
00:50:31,339 --> 00:50:27,719
sudden two years expires so they meet

922
00:50:33,919 --> 00:50:31,349
and they say well you are not competent

923
00:50:36,169 --> 00:50:33,929
you have to stay here and the whole

924
00:50:38,419 --> 00:50:36,179
process starts over again hey did they

925
00:50:43,339 --> 00:50:38,429
keep John under medication this whole

926
00:50:46,370 --> 00:50:43,349
time also yes oh great God to pull

927
00:50:48,739 --> 00:50:46,380
easily through your cycle ring you know

928
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,749
and it's like it and then they I think

929
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,640
we finally had a trial the one you

930
00:50:55,489 --> 00:50:52,079
mentioned earlier where they said what

931
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,499
doesn't where he lost he lost and that

932
00:50:59,479 --> 00:50:57,599
he was appealing it but in the time it

933
00:51:01,519 --> 00:50:59,489
appeals that the two-year thing goes by

934
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,529
and the whole process starts over it's

935
00:51:07,009 --> 00:51:03,839
all a bunch of bureaucratic red tape now

936
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:07,019
the last time he was up which was I

937
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:10,650
think in February or january i'm not

938
00:51:13,699 --> 00:51:12,150
sure when it was but the most recent

939
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:13,709
case which caused him to fire

940
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:17,369
andreazzoli was that she was supposed to

941
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:23,849
answer al a court summons or legal paper

942
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:28,319
and she was supposed to deliver it uh by

943
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:31,920
legal service and she claimed that her

944
00:51:36,859 --> 00:51:34,049
fax machine broke down so she never got

945
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,869
it so she never got the noticing the

946
00:51:42,380 --> 00:51:39,599
course which was sent by fax but she had

947
00:51:44,479 --> 00:51:42,390
to respond to it in a chic she sent a

948
00:51:47,779 --> 00:51:44,489
fax in but she wasn't supposed to

949
00:51:51,859 --> 00:51:47,789
respond by fax she was supposed to send

950
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,869
it in by legal service somehow of legal

951
00:51:58,579 --> 00:51:54,559
service I don't remember if it was by

952
00:52:01,339 --> 00:51:58,589
mail or whatever but she did not do what

953
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:01,349
the court stipulated she do which she

954
00:52:07,009 --> 00:52:04,529
any attorney knows that so she blamed it

955
00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:07,019
on her fax machine and that was the last

956
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:10,679
straw for her with John for her so she's

957
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:12,689
no longer on the case so he's got a new

958
00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:15,089
guy who is convinced that he can get

959
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:17,819
John for it out who's also expert in

960
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:23,099
mental health law and he is not allowed

961
00:52:27,789 --> 00:52:25,380
to visit John because they even though

962
00:52:29,180 --> 00:52:27,799
he's the attorney of record the

963
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,190
Institute

964
00:52:33,319 --> 00:52:31,740
acknowledge him and won't let him in so

965
00:52:35,329 --> 00:52:33,329
this has been very frustrating for John

966
00:52:37,550 --> 00:52:35,339
he can't even see his own new attorney

967
00:52:41,809 --> 00:52:37,560
and the only thing i will say in defense

968
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:41,819
of Andy Rizzoli is that assuming that

969
00:52:46,460 --> 00:52:44,760
she was not working for them and I don't

970
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,470
know that she was she was weighing over

971
00:52:52,940 --> 00:52:48,720
her head with the type of stuff that was

972
00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,950
going on here yeah Peter let me ask you

973
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,500
something Missouri any indication at

974
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:57,359
John Ford had found evidence of a

975
00:53:03,010 --> 00:52:58,859
crashed saucer at the time of these

976
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:03,020
fires when this all started to unravel

977
00:53:15,319 --> 00:53:10,500
well he had a video of the southaven

978
00:53:19,550 --> 00:53:15,329
Park crash and was hard to say what that

979
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:19,560
was I saw the video but it was certainly

980
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:24,300
a fire that looked like it had you know

981
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,810
when you seeing a video like aluminum

982
00:53:34,550 --> 00:53:30,240
but I was in aluminum but it looked like

983
00:53:40,579 --> 00:53:34,560
you know some of that funny material but

984
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:40,589
in any case John was yet he had his own

985
00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:44,490
UFO FILES now he was also investigating

986
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:45,750
the crash that occurred out of Rocky

987
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:49,050
Point and he had discussed in the

988
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:52,770
document he had met some people who were

989
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:55,410
involved with that and that whole began

990
00:54:02,329 --> 00:53:57,690
a whole series of strange incidents with

991
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:02,339
those people um they were they were

992
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:04,290
hypnotists they were they had a

993
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,450
hypnotist class or something I it's not

994
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,220
fresh in my mind but you can read it

995
00:54:14,059 --> 00:54:11,040
there but he had a whole the Long Island

996
00:54:15,770 --> 00:54:14,069
UFO network-- he had in his house but

997
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:15,780
this was the property of the Long Island

998
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:17,609
UFO network and they came in and took

999
00:54:24,050 --> 00:54:19,740
all that data yeah that's where I was

1000
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:24,060
golden with my is that his records were

1001
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:29,760
seized and where are they now where are

1002
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:33,359
they well suffolk county or whoever took

1003
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:38,430
them took them come has claims that they

1004
00:54:44,779 --> 00:54:41,640
don't have them or that they're lost so

1005
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:44,789
incredible is this is a whole love they

1006
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,740
had no search warrant to take these

1007
00:54:53,690 --> 00:54:49,440
things yeah well is a law shows like

1008
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:53,700
this is a lawsuit i don't i mean it's

1009
00:54:58,819 --> 00:54:57,420
its lawsuit bait I don't know because it

1010
00:55:01,759 --> 00:54:58,829
doesn't have to be there's also a man

1011
00:55:05,779 --> 00:55:01,769
named Tony West who was one of John

1012
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:05,789
Ford's friends and participants in the

1013
00:55:09,380 --> 00:55:07,559
Long Island UFO now would think it would

1014
00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:09,390
be a chain of custody of the if the

1015
00:55:12,769 --> 00:55:11,220
authorities came in and execute even

1016
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,779
though the warrant was illegal and it

1017
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,359
sounds like it anytime you put any kind

1018
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:18,720
of written and executed hundreds of

1019
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,960
search and arrest warrants and I don't

1020
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:23,700
know how it is in New York but it can't

1021
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:25,470
be all that different in Colorado and

1022
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:27,049
that is you have to be very very

1023
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:29,250
specific who it is you're looking for

1024
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:32,099
what it is you're looking for and why do

1025
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:34,410
you think that it is in the space and

1026
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:36,329
that person has it what are your reason

1027
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,609
is your probable cause that's a good

1028
00:55:42,259 --> 00:55:40,319
question like what does the search

1029
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,269
warrant have yeah that's what I'm saying

1030
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:44,940
that all should be a matter of public

1031
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:47,880
record because he was arrested and you

1032
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:50,190
should be able to find out what was on

1033
00:55:56,839 --> 00:55:53,609
to grab his UFO files and this is where

1034
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:56,849
I'm going with you know I I preached it

1035
00:56:01,880 --> 00:55:58,980
the people voice asked me Peter what's

1036
00:56:03,140 --> 00:56:01,890
the big deal about the Constitution and

1037
00:56:04,579 --> 00:56:03,150
the Bill of Rights concerning flying

1038
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:04,589
saucers and there is a direct

1039
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:06,750
correlation okay and that is that they

1040
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:09,180
came into his house and took stuff that

1041
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:11,160
had no bearing whatsoever on his case

1042
00:56:16,359 --> 00:56:13,500
other than the fact that it was you know

1043
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:16,369
flying saucer investigations or UFOs

1044
00:56:22,759 --> 00:56:19,890
they took that and that's I fail to see

1045
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:22,769
how that would be other other than the

1046
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:24,089
fact that they want to demonstrate that

1047
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:25,410
he was incompetent because he believed

1048
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:27,480
in flying saucers well it's a very good

1049
00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:29,970
question and it would be it would be

1050
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:34,710
good to uh to get a a copy of that

1051
00:56:39,289 --> 00:56:36,359
search warrant and I'll try to remember

1052
00:56:41,029 --> 00:56:39,299
to ask him now I I have I run across

1053
00:56:47,749 --> 00:56:41,039
some names here because I have one of

1054
00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:47,759
the articles I wrote here and um this is

1055
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:51,720
October of 1995 John received a call

1056
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,440
from Gary and Dorothy tripped TR itt of

1057
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,839
ronkonkoma members of loof on long

1058
00:57:01,720 --> 00:56:59,760
island UFO network and these are the

1059
00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:01,730
professional hypnotherapist who told

1060
00:57:07,339 --> 00:57:04,470
they told John about their receptionist

1061
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:07,349
a woman named patty McDonald who had a

1062
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:08,819
friend patty McDonald was the

1063
00:57:14,359 --> 00:57:11,010
receptionist for the hypnotherapists the

1064
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:14,369
tricks so patty McDonald according to

1065
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:17,130
this has a friend claiming there was a

1066
00:57:21,530 --> 00:57:19,260
UFO crash that was responsible for the

1067
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,540
unprecedented fires in the Long Island

1068
00:57:26,839 --> 00:57:24,000
pine barrens that made national news in

1069
00:57:31,069 --> 00:57:26,849
95 penny found out about this after

1070
00:57:33,770 --> 00:57:31,079
totaling her car in a crash when she was

1071
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,780
rear-ended by a delivery truck and a

1072
00:57:40,910 --> 00:57:35,760
nearby car was a man named Stephen

1073
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:40,920
Ferrer fr Farrar ferr ER a used car

1074
00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:42,990
dealer who got out to help patty and

1075
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:45,780
ended up giving her his card if she

1076
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:49,440
should desire a new car patty later

1077
00:57:55,700 --> 00:57:53,099
visited Farrar with her boyfriend and a

1078
00:57:57,470 --> 00:57:55,710
long discussion ensued about how Farrar

1079
00:57:59,660 --> 00:57:57,480
was dirt biking in the woods near

1080
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,670
Suffolk Community College outside

1081
00:58:04,339 --> 00:58:01,680
riverhead and heard something crash in

1082
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,349
the woods investigating this is the used

1083
00:58:08,780 --> 00:58:06,660
car salesman he wrote his dirt bike and

1084
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:08,790
soon saw a large circular shaped object

1085
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,500
about the size of a house and packed it

1086
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,280
into the ground here's your UFO huh

1087
00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:15,839
lastic flying saucer appearance at

1088
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:18,150
radiated tremendous heat and small fires

1089
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:20,730
were breaking out nearby he immediately

1090
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:22,770
notified his brother-in-law who happens

1091
00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:25,740
to be an FBI agent here's your alphabet

1092
00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:30,839
soup coming in the the FBI agent thing i

1093
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:35,240
hate calls FBI headquarters in hauppauge

1094
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:37,890
which is by the way where my friend

1095
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:39,359
david anderson used to have his time

1096
00:58:44,109 --> 00:58:41,310
travel research center and he also used

1097
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,119
to work out of the FBI office in syosset

1098
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:48,000
anyway that's an aside anyway the FBI

1099
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:51,000
headquarters in hauppauge who directed

1100
00:58:58,839 --> 00:58:54,359
who were they were directed to the crash

1101
00:59:01,550 --> 00:58:58,849
site and when the FBI agents got their

1102
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:01,560
military helicopters were already on the

1103
00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:04,380
scene now these people were subsequently

1104
00:59:11,780 --> 00:59:08,700
debriefed by the FBI the tris

1105
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,790
covertly arranged for John Ford to run

1106
00:59:16,130 --> 00:59:14,160
into Patti McDonald this is the

1107
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:16,140
receptionist these the oh well it's John

1108
00:59:22,130 --> 00:59:18,570
you can run in to this receptionist of

1109
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:22,140
ours and he clandestinely tape-recorded

1110
00:59:26,690 --> 00:59:24,210
her account of the events here's another

1111
00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:26,700
tape recording now this is legal in New

1112
00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:30,030
York State by the way to to record

1113
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:33,990
somebody in some states it's not patty

1114
00:59:37,579 --> 00:59:36,180
then suffered a series of suspicious car

1115
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:37,589
accidents and then disappeared

1116
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,890
permanently Ferrara would later deny the

1117
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:42,240
entire incident but would acknowledge

1118
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:45,089
having a brother in law in the FBI after

1119
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:48,420
this John Ford and several of his

1120
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:51,000
colleagues at the Long Island UFO

1121
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:52,710
network began to suffer suspicious

1122
00:59:58,190 --> 00:59:55,650
break-ins karma ships bishops and

1123
01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:58,200
surveillance we this is coupled with

1124
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:00,660
suspicious deaths of you in UFO

1125
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:03,210
investigators I don't know who I'm

1126
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:06,050
referring to in that article but uh

1127
01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:10,170
after all of this I John's fate becomes

1128
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:12,619
sealed when Joseph miss Meza chelly

1129
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:15,930
appears on the scene he has didn't ask

1130
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:20,640
you a question of what does John Ford

1131
01:00:25,819 --> 01:00:23,160
know Peter master Shelley prior to this

1132
01:00:27,620 --> 01:00:25,829
joseph matthew john joseph i'm sorry

1133
01:00:29,450 --> 01:00:27,630
yeah joseph message Ellis Johnson I

1134
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:29,460
don't think so who introduced him to

1135
01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:32,609
them then well no let's let's let's let

1136
01:00:36,349 --> 01:00:34,349
me read here and see because I'm reading

1137
01:00:39,410 --> 01:00:36,359
out of my newsletter which is exert okay

1138
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:39,420
okay yeah this is excerpted from the

1139
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:41,400
document that's on the website and by

1140
01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:43,470
the way if you go to digital Montcalm

1141
01:00:48,890 --> 01:00:46,740
you'll see John Ford UFO case on on the

1142
01:00:52,819 --> 01:00:48,900
bar and you can just go in there and

1143
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:52,829
download about five PDF files which you

1144
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:53,849
can read the whole thing in his

1145
01:00:58,579 --> 01:00:56,970
handwriting now anyway ms beza chili is

1146
01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:58,589
a mechanic with a criminal record who is

1147
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:00,780
also registered with the Suffolk County

1148
01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:04,290
DA as a paid police informant he brags

1149
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:06,150
of his family's mob connections and

1150
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:07,980
claims he is a lieutenant colonel in the

1151
01:01:15,140 --> 01:01:11,280
Mossad mazza celli claims he wants to

1152
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:15,150
join Long Island UFO network so but he

1153
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,630
ends up befriended Ford and draining him

1154
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:21,599
financially by asking for money but

1155
01:01:25,220 --> 01:01:22,650
promising

1156
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:25,230
John financial support from the Mossad

1157
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:27,450
who want who he says want to blow the

1158
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:29,160
cover off the government suppression of

1159
01:01:32,660 --> 01:01:31,110
UFO disclosure so he's scheming them the

1160
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:32,670
Mossad are good guys they want to blow

1161
01:01:36,830 --> 01:01:35,310
the cover so I we don't even know that

1162
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:36,840
the Messiah has anything to do with this

1163
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:40,410
as mad as a jelly is demonstrably able

1164
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:42,210
to orchestrate the manipulation of an

1165
01:01:45,890 --> 01:01:43,530
extensive amount of people with

1166
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:45,900
government connections he convinces for

1167
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:47,490
that he is legitimate should be listened

1168
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:49,710
to so this is a lot of instances where

1169
01:01:55,610 --> 01:01:52,050
he sort of proves himself if he did he

1170
01:01:58,070 --> 01:01:55,620
did he join MUFON loof on this is not

1171
01:02:00,920 --> 01:01:58,080
coupon yeah i got you Lou fun did it did

1172
01:02:03,140 --> 01:02:00,930
he join it apparently so yeah Wow ok

1173
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:03,150
meza shelly is the first one to tell

1174
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,530
Ford got the initial buyers from the

1175
01:02:11,390 --> 01:02:09,540
crashed UFO were deliberately ordered by

1176
01:02:16,340 --> 01:02:11,400
the feds to prevent disclosure of the

1177
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:16,350
UFO so he mazza chili is feeding him

1178
01:02:22,580 --> 01:02:19,730
this information that maybe this was a

1179
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:22,590
the fires were were to prevent

1180
01:02:27,050 --> 01:02:24,570
disclosure of UFOs later that would be

1181
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,060
coming this idea that politicians were

1182
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,240
doing it including John Powell who were

1183
01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:32,160
taking to take advantage of it by

1184
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:34,500
setting more fires south of sunrise

1185
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:37,310
highway to capitalize on the real estate

1186
01:02:42,140 --> 01:02:40,200
was there and there were indeed fires

1187
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:42,150
that were shut over there by that right

1188
01:02:47,210 --> 01:02:44,970
oh it was on national TV I was but I

1189
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:47,220
spent at the memorial service for

1190
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:49,050
Marjorie Cameron the wife of Jack

1191
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:51,960
Parsons in California and I'm waiting

1192
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:55,200
for I'm flying home from Anaheim and I

1193
01:03:00,320 --> 01:02:57,810
say oh my god these fires on Long Island

1194
01:03:02,510 --> 01:03:00,330
what the hell is this I might be delayed

1195
01:03:04,460 --> 01:03:02,520
I kind of remember that on national news

1196
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:04,470
that I'm saying a guy and I didn't

1197
01:03:10,100 --> 01:03:06,720
realize it was tied to John board and

1198
01:03:12,110 --> 01:03:10,110
all of this stuff I was uh I was gonna

1199
01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:12,120
have my hands full when I got home yeah

1200
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:14,280
well I you know what there's there's

1201
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:16,770
your link I mean this crashed saucer

1202
01:03:20,180 --> 01:03:18,720
whatever it was it started these fires

1203
01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:20,190
and then you have these other fires

1204
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:24,360
being set and I can see that Paul would

1205
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:27,440
think that Ford was investigating them

1206
01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:30,570
or you know real estate scam or whatever

1207
01:03:33,950 --> 01:03:31,800
the hell it was that they were doing

1208
01:03:34,690 --> 01:03:33,960
indeed I just want to make a comment on

1209
01:03:36,670 --> 01:03:34,700
Marjorie can

1210
01:03:38,109 --> 01:03:36,680
and she was the wife of Judah wit the

1211
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,119
widow of Jack Parsons and she was

1212
01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:39,920
involved in the Babylon working with l

1213
01:03:44,260 --> 01:03:42,500
ron hubbard and Jack Parsons and she the

1214
01:03:46,270 --> 01:03:44,270
reason only reason I was able to see her

1215
01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:46,280
when I eventually met her was because I

1216
01:03:52,030 --> 01:03:47,960
thought there might be something to her

1217
01:03:54,970 --> 01:03:52,040
statement that uh the magical activity

1218
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:54,980
they were engaged upon in 1946 might

1219
01:04:00,520 --> 01:03:56,480
have had something to do with the UFO

1220
01:04:02,380 --> 01:04:00,530
phenomena of 1947 and she appreciated

1221
01:04:04,900 --> 01:04:02,390
that I said that and here i am at her

1222
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:04,910
memorial service and here we have the

1223
01:04:09,849 --> 01:04:07,490
UFO theme entering and there again

1224
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:09,859
that's just a side comment you know

1225
01:04:16,450 --> 01:04:12,740
that's fascinating though it is uh now

1226
01:04:18,670 --> 01:04:16,460
anyway so after several weeks before

1227
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:18,680
Meza Chile reveals his alleged Mossad

1228
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,540
connections and promises forward money

1229
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:22,640
John receives a phone call from a

1230
01:04:32,020 --> 01:04:27,530
Manhattan attorney representing Arthur

1231
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:32,030
Warren Klein now i'm not sure who Arthur

1232
01:04:35,770 --> 01:04:34,730
Warren Klein is I might think he might

1233
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:35,780
that might have been the name he gave

1234
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:37,910
himself he wants to speak to John

1235
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:39,920
regarding a UFO related incident with

1236
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:43,190
his granddaughter Ford is picked up in a

1237
01:04:47,710 --> 01:04:45,470
limo that he cannot see out of and has

1238
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:47,720
taken to a mansion that is supposedly in

1239
01:04:55,870 --> 01:04:52,160
South Hampton there he meets with an

1240
01:05:00,160 --> 01:04:55,880
attorney named John Gallagher Arthur

1241
01:05:02,050 --> 01:05:00,170
Klein and his son Robert Klein climbin

1242
01:05:04,270 --> 01:05:02,060
shows photos of his granddaughter who he

1243
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,280
said was abducted and examined by aliens

1244
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:06,319
with all her body hair being shaven

1245
01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:08,810
these are photographs there are six

1246
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:11,480
circular welts around her navel John

1247
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,310
suggested she should be examined by a

1248
01:05:16,660 --> 01:05:14,960
doctor and Klein said this could be

1249
01:05:19,150 --> 01:05:16,670
arranged but he wanted John to be the

1250
01:05:22,059 --> 01:05:19,160
exclusive investigator now this is

1251
01:05:25,089 --> 01:05:22,069
actual people Manhattan type people

1252
01:05:27,579 --> 01:05:25,099
Southampton type people and they're

1253
01:05:30,910 --> 01:05:27,589
saying we've got a real abductee case

1254
01:05:32,740 --> 01:05:30,920
here and we want you to be the lead

1255
01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:32,750
investigator it says if they're baiting

1256
01:05:38,859 --> 01:05:35,660
him and they want you as the exclusive

1257
01:05:41,170 --> 01:05:38,869
investigator they then offer a generous

1258
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:41,180
donation in the form of a certified

1259
01:05:45,309 --> 01:05:43,250
check made out to Long Island UFO

1260
01:05:48,130 --> 01:05:45,319
network for ten million dollars well

1261
01:05:54,220 --> 01:05:48,140
hello wow this is John's testa

1262
01:05:57,070 --> 01:05:54,230
moni John politely turns it down now he

1263
01:05:59,590 --> 01:05:57,080
turns it down because John Ford it's a

1264
01:06:01,660 --> 01:05:59,600
very ethical person and he doesn't know

1265
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:01,670
what strings are attached he receives a

1266
01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:03,410
business card from John gal or from

1267
01:06:08,860 --> 01:06:05,990
Gallagher John Gallagher who later

1268
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:08,870
phones and wants him to reconsider but

1269
01:06:13,330 --> 01:06:11,510
the executive committee includes Tony

1270
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:13,340
West they don't trust any of this John

1271
01:06:28,210 --> 01:06:16,250
can't just act on his own so they don't

1272
01:06:31,060 --> 01:06:28,220
trust this so um then okay that's sort

1273
01:06:36,820 --> 01:06:31,070
of the overview of that the rest of my

1274
01:06:39,220 --> 01:06:36,830
article goes into more editorializing so

1275
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:39,230
I mean I you know I'm taking notes here

1276
01:06:44,980 --> 01:06:42,670
and so John was actively involved in too

1277
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:44,990
apparently you have old investigations

1278
01:06:49,030 --> 01:06:46,480
at the time that he was incarcerated

1279
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:49,040
well he was involved in the center

1280
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:50,930
moriches crash to South even Park crash

1281
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:53,690
and and this one there's three there

1282
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:55,520
that are that are there were hot

1283
01:07:00,730 --> 01:06:58,370
incidents on Long Island none of which I

1284
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,740
ever got particularly involved in

1285
01:07:04,260 --> 01:07:02,480
Preston Nichols would get involved in I

1286
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:04,270
had my hands full doing what I was doing

1287
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:06,650
that's uh this was sort of a side

1288
01:07:11,530 --> 01:07:08,330
interest to me I am NOT a UFO

1289
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:11,540
investigator but it goes hand in hand

1290
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:14,720
with sometimes up it's a similarly

1291
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:16,910
related endeavor oh yeah most definitely

1292
01:07:21,790 --> 01:07:20,240
well it this is a fascinating case and I

1293
01:07:26,290 --> 01:07:21,800
don't think the final chapter has been

1294
01:07:28,570 --> 01:07:26,300
written yet okay I mean I would love to

1295
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:28,580
know and see what was up on that search

1296
01:07:35,590 --> 01:07:32,350
when work that way that would be telling

1297
01:07:37,270 --> 01:07:35,600
it's a good point and I but there's so

1298
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:37,280
many irregularities with this case and

1299
01:07:47,980 --> 01:07:41,660
what we have here is if John Ford were

1300
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:47,990
to be released ah and he still has to

1301
01:07:55,450 --> 01:07:50,930
face trial the charges that give against

1302
01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:55,460
him have not been dropped so I don't

1303
01:08:00,640 --> 01:07:58,130
know like they a certain I think if they

1304
01:08:01,809 --> 01:08:00,650
deem him capable of returning and they

1305
01:08:03,849 --> 01:08:01,819
allow him to come back

1306
01:08:05,410 --> 01:08:03,859
society that they can't that would be

1307
01:08:08,140 --> 01:08:05,420
like double jeopardy because he took

1308
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:08,150
that no no no no it's not double

1309
01:08:13,449 --> 01:08:11,170
jeopardy this is a mental health issue

1310
01:08:15,789 --> 01:08:13,459
this yeah but that's what they that's

1311
01:08:18,519 --> 01:08:15,799
what they held him on for 16 years he

1312
01:08:21,430 --> 01:08:18,529
took that plea Peter and when he tooked

1313
01:08:23,769 --> 01:08:21,440
at least plea guilty he plead mental and

1314
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:23,779
competence right right he did not plead

1315
01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,170
guilty by reason of insanity he he plead

1316
01:08:32,919 --> 01:08:28,880
that he's not competent to stand trial

1317
01:08:34,780 --> 01:08:32,929
oh I should just not absolve him of

1318
01:08:36,339 --> 01:08:34,790
guilt and he's been very specific about

1319
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:36,349
this to me oh yeah I see what you're

1320
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:38,329
saying yeah it shouldn t becomes

1321
01:08:46,569 --> 01:08:44,480
competent not even any reasonable judge

1322
01:08:49,660 --> 01:08:46,579
would say well you've suffered enough

1323
01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:49,670
you did this okay good time served in

1324
01:08:54,910 --> 01:08:52,909
the nuthouse is is a health think that

1325
01:08:57,519 --> 01:08:54,920
would be enough I don't think they could

1326
01:08:59,499 --> 01:08:57,529
convict him I don't think they could

1327
01:09:02,319 --> 01:08:59,509
convict him but nevertheless this is an

1328
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,329
issue that hangs nevertheless so what

1329
01:09:08,349 --> 01:09:04,880
you have here this all becomes about

1330
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:08,359
political will it's all about this is

1331
01:09:15,249 --> 01:09:11,409
about politics and it's about will and

1332
01:09:17,890 --> 01:09:15,259
the will of the politicians and the will

1333
01:09:20,620 --> 01:09:17,900
of the courts and it it not only

1334
01:09:23,470 --> 01:09:20,630
requires the will of an attorney but an

1335
01:09:28,499 --> 01:09:23,480
attorney who is not only clever enough

1336
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:28,509
but diligent and industrious enough to

1337
01:09:34,749 --> 01:09:31,839
overcome the obstacles an attorney a

1338
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:34,759
good attorney who knows how to do things

1339
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:38,449
in this case a superior attorney is

1340
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:41,210
going to have challenges because of what

1341
01:09:49,419 --> 01:09:45,650
he's up against Peter the Beast Peter

1342
01:09:52,899 --> 01:09:49,429
this is MJ John Ford seems like a man

1343
01:09:56,740 --> 01:09:52,909
alone in the situation ill has he talked

1344
01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:56,750
about his family being involved well yes

1345
01:10:02,500 --> 01:09:59,420
his brother and sister have not been

1346
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:02,510
supportive because they don't they don't

1347
01:10:10,899 --> 01:10:08,239
understand his is UFO passion and their

1348
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:10,909
they've not been adequately supportive

1349
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:14,210
or supportive in a sympathy co sort of

1350
01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:15,040
way with

1351
01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:18,040
them so I know that if he was released

1352
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:23,920
he would be released and he would stay

1353
01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:25,750
with his sister initially in which case

1354
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:28,390
he'd be in westbury which is right where

1355
01:10:36,510 --> 01:10:32,110
I am and if he did get released I would

1356
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:36,520
be obligated to uh to meet with him

1357
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:39,610
routinely help him get it back on his

1358
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:42,400
feet and to and to actually take up

1359
01:10:47,550 --> 01:10:45,130
where he left off if I was living so so

1360
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:47,560
close to him so he's he's not been

1361
01:10:52,980 --> 01:10:50,590
adequately supported as maybe a fan of

1362
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:52,990
his would hope by his family although

1363
01:10:58,890 --> 01:10:57,370
they certainly would take him in if you

1364
01:11:00,330 --> 01:10:58,900
know if he gets released temporarily

1365
01:11:01,890 --> 01:11:00,340
before he could get a place of his own

1366
01:11:06,030 --> 01:11:01,900
because he does have a pension he's not

1367
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:06,040
he's not in did you hmm that's

1368
01:11:11,490 --> 01:11:09,760
interesting now Peter um what do you

1369
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:11,500
what do you think so he do think he will

1370
01:11:15,660 --> 01:11:13,960
investigate go right back jump right

1371
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:15,670
back into when he gets out with the with

1372
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:20,170
a Long Island UFO network well if yes I

1373
01:11:24,500 --> 01:11:21,970
think he would be very interested

1374
01:11:27,900 --> 01:11:24,510
however it might be politically

1375
01:11:30,450 --> 01:11:27,910
strategic for him to say he won't and I

1376
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:30,460
think there have been implications or

1377
01:11:35,460 --> 01:11:33,400
offers or alleged offers that say if he

1378
01:11:37,770 --> 01:11:35,470
disc and you know they don't want him to

1379
01:11:42,380 --> 01:11:37,780
do this anymore but the bottom line is

1380
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:42,390
here if he can prove false arrests and

1381
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:46,000
malicious prosecution yeah sure uh this

1382
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:48,610
is you know he could bankrupt Suffolk

1383
01:11:54,300 --> 01:11:51,400
County I'd like to know where his files

1384
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:54,310
went and what about that long island UFO

1385
01:12:00,180 --> 01:11:56,050
network has in their own separate case

1386
01:12:04,410 --> 01:12:00,190
right absolutely cuz that was close

1387
01:12:06,150 --> 01:12:04,420
those files were jointly own right well

1388
01:12:08,370 --> 01:12:06,160
it was the one island UFO network it was

1389
01:12:10,050 --> 01:12:08,380
yeah saying that they won't do they

1390
01:12:12,090 --> 01:12:10,060
belong they had a dog in the fight

1391
01:12:14,430 --> 01:12:12,100
definitely so where are those files and

1392
01:12:17,370 --> 01:12:14,440
the information that on the cases that

1393
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:17,380
he was working on yes and the problem is

1394
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:20,590
here is it's it's about political will

1395
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:23,170
and about money and if you had you know

1396
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:24,880
a billion dollars you could you can

1397
01:12:28,530 --> 01:12:27,760
fight this case and eventually get

1398
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:28,540
somewhere with

1399
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:32,170
maybe but the court the courts are not

1400
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:36,010
set up to administer perfect justice and

1401
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:38,170
sometimes the imperfect justice is

1402
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:40,960
pretty outrageous well I in this case it

1403
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:42,850
sounds like it was more manipulative

1404
01:12:49,620 --> 01:12:45,420
than injustice it was being manipulated

1405
01:12:51,810 --> 01:12:49,630
I can't imagine a defense attorney

1406
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:51,820
looking at the warrant and realizing

1407
01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:53,440
that they had the wrong date on it that

1408
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:55,030
invalidates you put the wrong address

1409
01:12:59,820 --> 01:12:58,150
that invalidates the ward I mean like I

1410
01:13:02,040 --> 01:12:59,830
said I've done enough foam if they're

1411
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:02,050
not let her perfect the judge and da

1412
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:03,850
won't go along with it that sounds on

1413
01:13:08,820 --> 01:13:06,310
this case they just went ahead and

1414
01:13:11,850 --> 01:13:08,830
executed the warrant and deal with the

1415
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:11,860
details later well that's yeah exactly

1416
01:13:17,250 --> 01:13:15,490
and and then apparently allegedly the

1417
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:17,260
attorney did query the data and they

1418
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:18,970
said well it was a mistake and so that

1419
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:21,610
the court oh yeah snake all right only

1420
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:25,410
cow man I don't I just don't think I

1421
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:28,570
think that John was browbeaten drugged

1422
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:31,930
an Intimidator who accepted plea sure I

1423
01:13:36,660 --> 01:13:34,570
can see that absolutely you know and

1424
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,670
once again there's your Bill of Rights

1425
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:39,040
directly you know against unreasonable

1426
01:13:43,860 --> 01:13:41,290
search and seizure the Fourth Amendment

1427
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:43,870
and it sounds to me like they just kind

1428
01:13:50,010 --> 01:13:46,780
of walked all over that one on John yeah

1429
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:50,020
what I'm fascinated with here is what is

1430
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:53,760
the big deal there are so many UFO cases

1431
01:14:01,140 --> 01:13:56,610
there are so many UFO cases out there

1432
01:14:05,660 --> 01:14:01,150
with varying degrees of evidence we've

1433
01:14:09,090 --> 01:14:05,670
heard everything what was this case so

1434
01:14:10,710 --> 01:14:09,100
such a big deal to these people I think

1435
01:14:12,540 --> 01:14:10,720
that's a legitimate question and I

1436
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:12,550
certainly don't have an answer to it the

1437
01:14:19,860 --> 01:14:15,250
only thing that I can think of is either

1438
01:14:21,540 --> 01:14:19,870
John was and I'm just theorizing based

1439
01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:21,550
upon what I know on what you've told us

1440
01:14:27,330 --> 01:14:24,460
here tonight but it he may have stumbled

1441
01:14:29,220 --> 01:14:27,340
across something or they may have

1442
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:29,230
thought that he stumbled across

1443
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:31,810
something and therefore he became a

1444
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:34,450
threat especially when he started tying

1445
01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:37,810
the fires to this John Powell I mean you

1446
01:14:42,090 --> 01:14:39,940
got national you got national attention

1447
01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:42,100
on those fires

1448
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:43,960
and next thing you know they can't have

1449
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:45,790
John Ford saying well we got a fire over

1450
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,170
here and it was caused by a flying

1451
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:49,120
saucer you got the two linked together

1452
01:14:55,230 --> 01:14:52,480
now you've got I mean you've got feel

1453
01:14:59,970 --> 01:14:55,240
yeah except for this the government can

1454
01:15:01,740 --> 01:14:59,980
cover up TWA and you oh yeah yeah yeah I

1455
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:01,750
think'll never questioned they do cover

1456
01:15:07,410 --> 01:15:04,930
mana and cover up JFK and that's exactly

1457
01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:07,420
my point I think where they may have

1458
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:10,030
thought that he had a key piece of

1459
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:12,130
information he may or may not have he

1460
01:15:16,590 --> 01:15:13,480
may have had it don't even know that he

1461
01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:16,600
had it but but the point is is that they

1462
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:18,940
saw him as a threat well the thing about

1463
01:15:28,130 --> 01:15:23,410
Shana is he is he is um he knows the

1464
01:15:30,630 --> 01:15:28,140
legal system and he is diligent about

1465
01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:30,640
using the legal system and he's very

1466
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:33,400
impassioned about what he does he's a

1467
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:36,490
meticulous investigator and he also is

1468
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:40,570
as a history of being politically active

1469
01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:43,690
in the conservative party of Suffolk

1470
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,100
County his mom used to be the head of

1471
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:47,920
the sip of Suffolk County a conservative

1472
01:15:53,340 --> 01:15:50,970
party so he does have a history in

1473
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:53,350
understanding politics and imagination

1474
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:55,600
of politics so this makes him a player

1475
01:16:01,500 --> 01:15:58,960
on a stage which he would have certainly

1476
01:16:04,140 --> 01:16:01,510
at that time been recognized for by his

1477
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:04,150
rivals right still goes on to this day

1478
01:16:12,330 --> 01:16:08,010
because they they don't want him out

1479
01:16:16,260 --> 01:16:12,340
they don't want his story told yeah it's

1480
01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:16,270
it's uh that's a salad situation yeah I

1481
01:16:22,350 --> 01:16:19,860
man I just fascinated with hated it

1482
01:16:25,020 --> 01:16:22,360
everything from him I'd like to know

1483
01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:25,030
more about this masa celli though he's

1484
01:16:29,970 --> 01:16:28,540
he gets introduced at the optimum time

1485
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:29,980
when John's in the middle of this

1486
01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:32,050
investigation he gets introduced to Long

1487
01:16:37,470 --> 01:16:34,990
Island UFO and I wanna be French John

1488
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:37,480
I'm Maura message Ellie read read the

1489
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:41,620
that the report on the website yeah I'm

1490
01:16:48,930 --> 01:16:45,310
going to and also get in touch with Gary

1491
01:16:51,450 --> 01:16:48,940
Sinise e CI mis I you can find him on

1492
01:16:55,230 --> 01:16:51,460
facebook he's a reporter right he's a

1493
01:17:00,480 --> 01:16:55,240
reporter yeah he lives on a rocky

1494
01:17:05,010 --> 01:17:00,490
and you could even interview him he kept

1495
01:17:07,140 --> 01:17:05,020
a much bigger brain file on mass jelly

1496
01:17:09,690 --> 01:17:07,150
than I did he's done his own writings on

1497
01:17:11,970 --> 01:17:09,700
this as well yeah I'd like to know more

1498
01:17:14,820 --> 01:17:11,980
about this message he'll play he's he's

1499
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:14,830
the hinge pin and getting Ford entangled

1500
01:17:21,810 --> 01:17:19,930
with the search warrant fee and put he's

1501
01:17:24,660 --> 01:17:21,820
the one that I mean he's the one that

1502
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:24,670
sets the ball and rolling and John John

1503
01:17:29,220 --> 01:17:26,830
magic shelly is still involved in

1504
01:17:31,950 --> 01:17:29,230
talking to John Ford and on this case

1505
01:17:33,930 --> 01:17:31,960
and you know he wants to testify on

1506
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:33,940
John's how do you think he'd come on the

1507
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:37,570
radio well that that I don't know he

1508
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:40,810
might ought to talk to him an absolutely

1509
01:17:49,470 --> 01:17:46,440
but I he's not a I wouldn't want him

1510
01:17:51,980 --> 01:17:49,480
testifying in this case personally

1511
01:17:55,290 --> 01:17:51,990
because he's already shown himself to be

1512
01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:55,300
he's got a criminal record he has no

1513
01:17:59,070 --> 01:17:57,790
even before this year that doesn't make

1514
01:18:02,520 --> 01:17:59,080
him all bad it just makes him

1515
01:18:05,580 --> 01:18:02,530
interesting question ok spoken from a

1516
01:18:09,630 --> 01:18:05,590
cosmic to be okay he was bad I said it

1517
01:18:12,150 --> 01:18:09,640
makes him a questionable well it depends

1518
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,160
what is what is I mean hey some of the

1519
01:18:17,070 --> 01:18:14,560
most truthful people that I've met in

1520
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:17,080
law enforcement were criminals okay they

1521
01:18:20,850 --> 01:18:18,640
were very upfront and honest they would

1522
01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:20,860
tell you directly if you asked him in

1523
01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:24,100
some cases there Eagle the problem with

1524
01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:26,350
him according to what I've been told is

1525
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:30,280
that he received a big payout no I

1526
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:32,110
wouldn't out the hell he took a jail

1527
01:18:39,150 --> 01:18:35,410
term in exchange for money so he could

1528
01:18:41,130 --> 01:18:39,160
be taking another payout to go highly

1529
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:41,140
more about his police informant with the

1530
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:43,090
Suffolk County Police Department because

1531
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:45,280
yeah I don't doubt that at all Peter I

1532
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:47,050
could see money coming in there and and

1533
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:50,050
persuading persuadable some character

1534
01:18:56,820 --> 01:18:52,690
and I think he has the business in this

1535
01:19:00,840 --> 01:18:56,830
case uh you know he's not he's not

1536
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:00,850
needed for this case and this case when

1537
01:19:05,790 --> 01:19:03,370
it gets tried in the mental health court

1538
01:19:08,900 --> 01:19:05,800
if that's the correct name for it it has

1539
01:19:13,980 --> 01:19:08,910
a jury of six people it's not a 12

1540
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:13,990
manjeri it's a six-person jury and but

1541
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:15,520
it hasn't even got to the jurors to

1542
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:19,330
decide yeah that's yes that's the case

1543
01:19:24,810 --> 01:19:22,210
he wants yeah he's got to get that in in

1544
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:24,820
front of the jury that's for sure yes

1545
01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:28,410
and so I think that the two-year

1546
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:31,180
recycling of his status was about a year

1547
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:35,890
ago so he's got by the time he gets his

1548
01:19:40,260 --> 01:19:38,410
attorney gets rolled up and you know

1549
01:19:42,540 --> 01:19:40,270
gets on the rolls and is allowed to

1550
01:19:44,250 --> 01:19:42,550
visit him then they'll know I don't

1551
01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:44,260
understand that how can the hell can

1552
01:19:52,890 --> 01:19:45,940
they keep him from visiting his attorney

1553
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,900
how does that work red tape pink okay he

1554
01:19:57,380 --> 01:19:55,120
I'm an attorney has a right to interview

1555
01:19:59,820 --> 01:19:57,390
his client or her client whatever and

1556
01:20:02,820 --> 01:19:59,830
yes but they have to let you in the door

1557
01:20:04,860 --> 01:20:02,830
and they yellin oh absolutely yeah I

1558
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:04,870
know what you're saying I'm keen your

1559
01:20:10,740 --> 01:20:07,570
food that's a that just blows me away

1560
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:10,750
and once again okay there comes into the

1561
01:20:14,700 --> 01:20:12,490
Bill of Rights you're entitled to have

1562
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,710
counsel you're entitled let me explain

1563
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:16,480
something to you if you were to walk

1564
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:18,910
into that mid-hudson forensic Institute

1565
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:22,480
by yourself and you walk in there and

1566
01:20:26,340 --> 01:20:24,130
you say I want to talk about this at

1567
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:26,350
this youth you and probably I've never

1568
01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:28,480
been there but you would probably feel

1569
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:31,420
the mental atmosphere that place and

1570
01:20:35,130 --> 01:20:33,730
you'd probably feel so weird you know

1571
01:20:38,010 --> 01:20:35,140
like who are you talking to you know

1572
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:38,020
using space in there is probably so

1573
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:40,330
weird in itself it's like you're walking

1574
01:20:44,190 --> 01:20:42,310
into another dimension and then you're

1575
01:20:47,430 --> 01:20:44,200
going to go and talk and you're going to

1576
01:20:49,530 --> 01:20:47,440
talk to somebody at a front desk who

1577
01:20:52,380 --> 01:20:49,540
points you to somebody at another desk

1578
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:52,390
and it's kind of like what's up and it's

1579
01:20:59,730 --> 01:20:55,770
it's you know you're talking to

1580
01:21:02,400 --> 01:20:59,740
bureaucracy yeah it's like a news the

1581
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:02,410
person you strangle around the throat

1582
01:21:09,090 --> 01:21:05,370
there's nobody to strangle so to speak

1583
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:09,100
you know I say it's this and what's this

1584
01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:10,510
well you've got to do this you've got to

1585
01:21:18,330 --> 01:21:14,590
do this in yeah I'm sure that there is a

1586
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:18,340
legal formula where one could snap the

1587
01:21:24,330 --> 01:21:22,330
whip on this but uh that

1588
01:21:28,530 --> 01:21:24,340
you know as they say when the attorney

1589
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:28,540
can't even see the client this is a

1590
01:21:32,580 --> 01:21:30,130
problem he's an attorney so you know he

1591
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:32,590
knows just like you've been a policeman

1592
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:34,330
you know the rules he knows the rules

1593
01:21:43,710 --> 01:21:38,770
yeah the rules aren't smiling on him now

1594
01:21:48,210 --> 01:21:43,720
I I liked it like i said this massive

1595
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:48,220
chili that started the whole involvement

1596
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:50,080
with the authorities and he came in at

1597
01:21:54,570 --> 01:21:51,970
the at the right time it sounds to me

1598
01:21:56,970 --> 01:21:54,580
like that that's being manipulative he's

1599
01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:56,980
a plant I mean that's that's all the

1600
01:22:01,260 --> 01:21:58,810
alarm bells going off on me as saying

1601
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,270
that this guy shows up and the friends

1602
01:22:05,490 --> 01:22:03,040
John for the next thing you know John

1603
01:22:08,490 --> 01:22:05,500
Ford is trying to poke radium into

1604
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:08,500
toothpaste to poison jennandpaul okay

1605
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:12,250
and you know from from what you've said

1606
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:14,410
it for what Marilyn told us last time is

1607
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:16,570
that this message Shelly he's the one

1608
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:17,890
that was wearing the wire and he's the

1609
01:22:22,110 --> 01:22:19,960
one that engaged John Ford in the

1610
01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:22,120
conversation and that should also be

1611
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:23,860
part of public record that whole

1612
01:22:28,710 --> 01:22:26,890
transcript that thing should be all part

1613
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:28,720
of a freedom of information act foia

1614
01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:31,980
listen and the case on this is pretty

1615
01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:34,630
open and shut anybody who has a

1616
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:38,470
reasonable attitude the problem is to

1617
01:22:44,850 --> 01:22:40,330
say this is all about political well

1618
01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:44,860
yeah right oh no political will and into

1619
01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:48,310
some extent money but it's so when

1620
01:22:52,410 --> 01:22:50,260
there's no political will and we live in

1621
01:22:55,230 --> 01:22:52,420
an environment right now where political

1622
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:55,240
will doesn't I mean will like you take

1623
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,130
the hell if I didn't know any better I'd

1624
01:23:02,910 --> 01:22:59,920
say Hillary Clinton was behind it the

1625
01:23:04,890 --> 01:23:02,920
Occupy Wall Street issue yeah I'm going

1626
01:23:08,820 --> 01:23:04,900
to help anything because you see it's

1627
01:23:10,140 --> 01:23:08,830
all we don't have political protests

1628
01:23:11,970 --> 01:23:10,150
like we used to have the march on

1629
01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:11,980
washington in the days of martin luther

1630
01:23:18,420 --> 01:23:14,040
king and all this sort of thing

1631
01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:18,430
political protest isn't the vehicle it

1632
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:22,060
was in the 60s it just doesn't the

1633
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:24,930
government has responded to it it

1634
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:28,510
controls it better it's it's much more

1635
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:30,730
sophisticated and refined than it was in

1636
01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:32,530
the 60s the government itself and that

1637
01:23:35,729 --> 01:23:34,600
includes the secret government so it's

1638
01:23:38,939 --> 01:23:35,739
not

1639
01:23:41,549 --> 01:23:38,949
well we still have freedom of speech and

1640
01:23:43,379 --> 01:23:41,559
we have the right to assemble and I

1641
01:23:47,939 --> 01:23:43,389
agree with you that the you know the

1642
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:47,949
government certainly has I I like I

1643
01:23:55,739 --> 01:23:52,320
think it directs political unrest better

1644
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:55,749
then it did back in the day baby in the

1645
01:23:59,580 --> 01:23:57,760
government learned a lot during the 60s

1646
01:24:02,160 --> 01:23:59,590
and 70s he had the Vietnam he had civil

1647
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:02,170
rights going on and a lot of open

1648
01:24:06,419 --> 01:24:03,730
protests of the government really got

1649
01:24:11,509 --> 01:24:06,429
adapted being able to deflect and

1650
01:24:13,649 --> 01:24:11,519
manipulate those those political

1651
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:13,659
emotions if you will that you know

1652
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:17,440
occurs among the population and but the

1653
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,570
one thing and once again we're back to

1654
01:24:23,609 --> 01:24:21,280
what you know is freedom of speech and

1655
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:23,619
the right to ask questions and we still

1656
01:24:27,089 --> 01:24:24,489
have the right to hold government

1657
01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:27,099
accountable whether it's the federal

1658
01:24:31,109 --> 01:24:29,380
government of Suffolk County and I tell

1659
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:31,119
you what Peter based upon what I've

1660
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,570
learned so far from you and Marilyn John

1661
01:24:38,549 --> 01:24:36,639
got whether he's crazy or not doesn't

1662
01:24:41,580 --> 01:24:38,559
make any difference he still got rave

1663
01:24:43,890 --> 01:24:41,590
railroaded okay I mean he could be crazy

1664
01:24:45,540 --> 01:24:43,900
as a loon or you know off his rocker for

1665
01:24:47,370 --> 01:24:45,550
all I know I'm not a psychiatrist but

1666
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:47,380
the fact of the matter is based upon

1667
01:24:54,899 --> 01:24:51,610
what you know is being painted here the

1668
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:54,909
guy they had him already convicted tried

1669
01:25:00,299 --> 01:24:56,710
and signed sealed and delivered when

1670
01:25:03,870 --> 01:25:00,309
when they executed that warrant no it's

1671
01:25:06,419 --> 01:25:03,880
definitely a an injustice yeah oh yes

1672
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:06,429
exactly what it is it's an injustice if

1673
01:25:11,069 --> 01:25:08,320
that's the way it went down that's a

1674
01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:11,079
bunch of BS and and we have to we have

1675
01:25:15,660 --> 01:25:13,210
to know it has to do with timing there

1676
01:25:17,970 --> 01:25:15,670
was that that famous case of hurricane

1677
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:17,980
Rubin hurricane Carter that Bob Dylan

1678
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:20,170
wrote a song about oh yeah right you'll

1679
01:25:27,060 --> 01:25:24,070
be and that took such a long time to

1680
01:25:31,529 --> 01:25:27,070
resolve itself which its hurricane

1681
01:25:35,339 --> 01:25:31,539
Carter was innocent the boxer and and so

1682
01:25:37,770 --> 01:25:35,349
this is the this is the problem is that

1683
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:37,780
things happen in their own time this

1684
01:25:44,879 --> 01:25:40,510
made case and we've never gotten justice

1685
01:25:46,890 --> 01:25:44,889
over the JFK assassination so these

1686
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:46,900
things don't miss but they do stick in

1687
01:25:51,690 --> 01:25:48,910
time even though we didn't get

1688
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:51,700
justice on it you still have people are

1689
01:25:59,370 --> 01:25:55,510
talking out about it still hoping to

1690
01:26:03,480 --> 01:25:59,380
Bible day I live I'd like to know who

1691
01:26:06,810 --> 01:26:03,490
turned Massa celli on with it to John

1692
01:26:08,610 --> 01:26:06,820
Ford from the suffolk county agency how

1693
01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:08,620
did they get ahold of him to get in and

1694
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,870
involve himself because yeah you know I

1695
01:26:15,930 --> 01:26:13,600
work with a number well I worked with it

1696
01:26:18,210 --> 01:26:15,940
I worked undercover for five years of

1697
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:18,220
vice and narcotics I had a number there

1698
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:19,570
were two types of people that work for

1699
01:26:24,690 --> 01:26:22,330
us there was informants that had a beef

1700
01:26:26,010 --> 01:26:24,700
okay that we had what we called a hammer

1701
01:26:27,990 --> 01:26:26,020
over him they we had him on another

1702
01:26:30,150 --> 01:26:28,000
charge and they wanted to help us so

1703
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:30,160
they became an informant and then you

1704
01:26:36,210 --> 01:26:33,400
had operatives which we would hire okay

1705
01:26:38,940 --> 01:26:36,220
and they would go out and enter and

1706
01:26:40,710 --> 01:26:38,950
introduce one of us they would make

1707
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:40,720
befriend an organization and then

1708
01:26:45,150 --> 01:26:42,760
introduce one of us after they got in

1709
01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:45,160
and then we would they would bow out and

1710
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:46,660
we would take over but they were that

1711
01:26:50,130 --> 01:26:48,130
one that opened the door and got us

1712
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:50,140
intro'd into an organization if we were

1713
01:26:54,980 --> 01:26:51,640
going to infiltrate it and that's what

1714
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:54,990
it sounds to me what Massa Chelly is

1715
01:27:00,540 --> 01:26:57,970
okay is that he was an operative and

1716
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:00,550
they turned him on the John Ford and he

1717
01:27:05,130 --> 01:27:03,130
infiltrated basically Long Island you if

1718
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,140
I'd love to talk to this guy I think he

1719
01:27:09,780 --> 01:27:06,880
is very easy it would have been very

1720
01:27:11,970 --> 01:27:09,790
easy for who who was who was engineering

1721
01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:11,980
it because Cheryl Hassan UFO network was

1722
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:15,670
a public all right public thing so right

1723
01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:18,160
he could just show up right directed

1724
01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:20,830
there okay okay okay Peter we are

1725
01:27:24,860 --> 01:27:22,510
running out of time can you let our

1726
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:24,870
listeners know about your website again

1727
01:27:32,820 --> 01:27:29,410
sure a digital montauk calm and I have a

1728
01:27:35,460 --> 01:27:32,830
website with my books and I'm just going

1729
01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:35,470
to mention that's that's sky books USA

1730
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:38,260
com the book music of time which is

1731
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:40,450
about Preston Nichols adventures in the

1732
01:27:45,710 --> 01:27:42,910
music industry also cover the John Ford

1733
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:45,720
case the music of time that book up

1734
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:48,250
because he got it's told in his

1735
01:27:52,050 --> 01:27:49,930
vernacular about his adventures in the

1736
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:52,060
John Ford case very cool thanks for

1737
01:27:55,740 --> 01:27:54,250
coming on in we ant thanks you too much

1738
01:27:57,570 --> 01:27:55,750
yeah you're welcome oh nice to be with